The Descendants of Count Thomas I of Savoy, born 1176.


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171. Molesworth Richard POMEROY-GREENE [81702] (Anne GRIFFITHS151, Richard GRIFFITHS M.P.140, Richard GRIFFITHS135, Edward GRIFFITHS121, Very Rev. Richard GRIFFITHS115, Thomas GRIFFITHS106, Capt. Edward GRIFFITHS101, Robert GRIFFITHS98, William GRIFFITHS95, Sir William GRIFFITHS91, Joan TROUTBECK84, Margaret STANLEY74, Joan GOUSHILL41, Elizabeth FITZALAN28, Richard FITZALAN III, 4th Earl of Arundel14, Richard FITZALAN II, 3rd Earl of Arundel11, 2nd Earl Edmund FITZALAN of Arundel6, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born on 14 Jan 1827 in Dublin Co. Dublin Ireland and died in 1916 at age 89.

Molesworth married Emma BROWNE [81710] on 27 Jul 1854.

Children from this marriage were:

   202    i. Corienta POMEROY-GREENE [82257] was born on 19 Nov 1856.

   203    ii. William Pomeroy GREENE [81711] was born on 7 May 1866 in Toorak Melbourne Colony of Victoria and died in Jan 1934 at age 67.

+ 204    iii. Constance Angel GREENE [81712] died in 1919.

172. Rawdon Foster POMEROY-GREENE [18108] (Anne GRIFFITHS151, Richard GRIFFITHS M.P.140, Richard GRIFFITHS135, Edward GRIFFITHS121, Very Rev. Richard GRIFFITHS115, Thomas GRIFFITHS106, Capt. Edward GRIFFITHS101, Robert GRIFFITHS98, William GRIFFITHS95, Sir William GRIFFITHS91, Joan TROUTBECK84, Margaret STANLEY74, Joan GOUSHILL41, Elizabeth FITZALAN28, Richard FITZALAN III, 4th Earl of Arundel14, Richard FITZALAN II, 3rd Earl of Arundel11, 2nd Earl Edmund FITZALAN of Arundel6, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born on 2 Aug 1829 and died in Jul 1878 in Normanton Colony of Queensland at age 48.

Rawdon married Rose Frances MACKAY [18109].

Children from this marriage were:

   205    i. George GREENE [18121] .

   206    ii. Fairlie GREENE [18106] .

Fairlie married Frederick LOUGHNAN [18102].

173. Mary Frances Elizabeth POMEROY-GREENE [81703] (Anne GRIFFITHS151, Richard GRIFFITHS M.P.140, Richard GRIFFITHS135, Edward GRIFFITHS121, Very Rev. Richard GRIFFITHS115, Thomas GRIFFITHS106, Capt. Edward GRIFFITHS101, Robert GRIFFITHS98, William GRIFFITHS95, Sir William GRIFFITHS91, Joan TROUTBECK84, Margaret STANLEY74, Joan GOUSHILL41, Elizabeth FITZALAN28, Richard FITZALAN III, 4th Earl of Arundel14, Richard FITZALAN II, 3rd Earl of Arundel11, 2nd Earl Edmund FITZALAN of Arundel6, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born on 9 Jun 1830 in Stillorgan Co. Dublin Leinster Ireland.

Mary married Sir William Foster STAWELL [81719] in 1856. William was born on 27 Jun 1815 in Cork Co. Cork Munster Ireland and died on 11 Mar 1889 in Naples Campania Italy at age 73.

Children from this marriage were:

   207    i. Florance Melian STAWELL [81720] was born on 2 May 1869 in Melbourne Colony of Victoria and died on 9 Jun 1936 in Oxford Oxfordshire England at age 67.

+ 208    ii. Sir Richard Rawdon STAWELL [81721] was born on 14 Mar 1864 in Kew Melbourne Colony of Victoria and died on 18 Apr 1935 in Melbourne VIC Australia at age 71.

+ 209    iii. Rodolph De Salis STAWELL [81722] was born on 30 Nov 1871 and died in 1947 at age 76.

   210    iv. Jonas Molesworth STAWELL [81723] was born in Mar 1860 and died on 5 May 1929 in Perth WA Australia at age 69.

   211    v. William STAWELL [81724] .

William married Clara LYON [81735].

   212    vi. Charles STAWELL [81725] .

Charles married Mildred KENEDY [81736].

   213    vii. George Cooper STAWELL [81726] was born in 1863.

George married Kathleen DEANE [81737].

   214    viii. Anne STAWELL [81727] .

Anne married Sylvester John BROWN [81738].

+ 215    ix. Mary Letitia STAWELL [81728] was born in 1865.

176. George Henry POMEROY-GREENE [81706] (Anne GRIFFITHS151, Richard GRIFFITHS M.P.140, Richard GRIFFITHS135, Edward GRIFFITHS121, Very Rev. Richard GRIFFITHS115, Thomas GRIFFITHS106, Capt. Edward GRIFFITHS101, Robert GRIFFITHS98, William GRIFFITHS95, Sir William GRIFFITHS91, Joan TROUTBECK84, Margaret STANLEY74, Joan GOUSHILL41, Elizabeth FITZALAN28, Richard FITZALAN III, 4th Earl of Arundel14, Richard FITZALAN II, 3rd Earl of Arundel11, 2nd Earl Edmund FITZALAN of Arundel6, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born on 20 Jul 1838 in Collon Co. Louth Leinster Ireland and died on 22 Dec 1911 at age 73.

George married Ellen Elizabeth CRAWFORD [81708] on 26 Jul 1870.

The child from this marriage was:

   216    i. William Pomeroy Crawford GREENE [81709] .

180. Sir Thomas FORSTER [47106] (Sir Col. Thomas FORSTER Kt.152, Sir Thomas FORSTER Kt.141, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born on 6 Aug 1659, died in Oct 1725 at age 66, and was buried on 25 Oct 1725.

Noted events in his life were:

• Occupation: Sheriff, Northumberland England.

• Residence: Adderstone Northumberland England.

Thomas married Frances FORSTER [47125] on 27 Jan 1680 in South Bailey Durham Northunberland.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 217    i. Margaret FORSTER [47139] was born in 1681 in Adderstone Northumberland England.

   218    ii. General Thomas FORSTER [47140] was born in Mar 1683 in Adderstone Northumberland England, was baptised on 29 Mar 1683, died in 1738 in Boulogne Vendée Pays de la Loire France at age 55, and was buried in Bamburgh [was Bamborough] Northumberland England.

General Notes: From an [at present, 2021] unknown Source,
In 1704 Tom Forster became joint heir with his aunt, Lady Dorothy Crewe, to the Forsters' bankrupt estates in Bamburgh and Blanchland. The Forsters, once an important land-owning family, had fallen heavily into debt after years of gambling and excessive spending by Sir William and Ferdinando Forster, Dorothy's brothers. These debts were settled and the family rescued from their embarrassing predicament by Dorothy's husband, the wealthy Lord Crewe, Bishop of Durham. Despite having sworn oaths to William and Mary, and subsequently officiated at the coronation of George l, the Bishop was a known Jacobite sympathiser, having risen to favour in the Stuart Court. Tom Forster took up his father's parliamentary seat, becoming heavily involved in Jacobite politics and central to the plotting in Northumberland. He was elected as the English 'General' in the 1715 Rising because he was a Protestant, but afterwards made a scapegoat for the failed enterprise, and criticised by some of his fellow Jacobites for his poor leadership. After the surrender at Preston he was imprisoned in Newgate, escaping four days before his trial. He fled to the Continent and remained in exile for the rest of his life, steering clear of further political intrigue and holding an appointment as Steward in the royal household of James lll. After his death in 1738 at the age of fifty-four, his body was brought back to England and buried at Bamburgh.
BUT, in March 2021, Patrick de Meulmeester added the following:
For the record, General Thomas Forster participated in the Jacobite Rebellion in support of the Stuart family lost in the Battle of Preston.
He was then imprisoned in London's Newgate prison from where he managed to escape with the help of his sister Dorothy to the Vendée to join the Stuart Court.
After that Thomas Forster lost everything and it was his brother John Forster who was able to recover land and castles including the one in Bamborough.
John Forster, Thomas Forster's Brother, was a general in Queen Elizabeth's army and was also appointed Lord Warden of the Middle Marshes.

Here's what Dorothy Forster said about The Forster's and was recounted in Walter SEBANT's (1885) book 'DOROTHY FORSTER'
There are in Northumberland as many Forster's as there are Fenwick's and more. First, it had been said, but irreverently, The Lord made Adam and Eve and then He made the Forsters…
The ancient and original seat of the Forster's from time immemorial has been at Etherston, which is, being interpreted, the Adder Stone… (now Adderstone)
There are branches of the Forsters everywhere at Tuggall hall, at Aldermarston, at Bernwick, in London and I know not where else. But with those branches we have NOTHING here to do..
Especially, however, to be considered is the noble branch of Bamborough founded by Sir John FORSTER, the valiant and trusty Warden of the March under Good Queen Elizabeth for twenty-seven years and Governor of Bamborough Castle. It was to his son Sir Claudius that King James made a grant of the castle and manor of Bamborough !
By marriage, the Forsters were connected with nearly every family of gentle birth in the north: Lords Crewe, Wharton, Hilton, Ogle,the Radcliffes, Shaftoes, Swinburns, Chaytors, Herons, Selbys, Carnabys, Crasters, Ridleys, Fenwick, Salkelds, Grays of Chillingham, the Coles of Brancepeth….
One of the Forsters was Lord Chief Justice of England, another was Puisne Judge; many of them were Sheriffs, Knights of the Shire.Their history is, in a word, part and parcel of the history of Northumberland itself; that is to say of the great and glorious realm of England…
By my mother's side we came from the Bamborough Forsters - a branch of the family more distinguished in the world than the main stock, and remarkable for the gifts of politeness and love and learning.

   219    iii. Elizabeth FORSTER [47141] was born on 14 Aug 1684. (Died young)

   220    iv. William FORSTER [47142] was born in 1685 and died before 1690. (Died young)

   221    v. Dorothy FORSTER [47143] was born in 1686 and died in 1767 at age 81.

General Notes: She became the Northumbrian heroine of the 'Fifteen' when, with the help of a blacksmith friend, she cleverly engineered her brother Tom's escape from Newgate. The story, which has become entrenched in Northumbrian folklore, tells of her courageous journey to London through snow and ice, riding pillion with the blacksmith from Adderstone, near Bamburgh. After Tom's escape, and in order to outwit the authorities, she pretended that her brother had died abroad and organised that a coffin filled with sawdust should be placed in the Forster Vault at Bamburgh. 'The Lord Crewe Arms' in Blanchland is a property traditionally associated with Dorothy and her brother Tom. In Jacobite times this house belonged to their aunt, Lady Dorothy Crewe, the wife of Lord Nathaniel Crewe, Bishop of Durham.

AND, a Document received from Patrick de Meulemeester in June 2021, he quoted:
See hereunder what Dorothy Forster, the sister of General Thomas Forster said about the FORSTER'S and related by Walter SEBANT (1885) in his book 'DOROTHY FORSTER'

There are in Northumberland as many Forster's as there are Fenwick's and more. First, it had been said, but irreverently, The Lord made Adam and Eve and then He made the Forster's.
The ancient and original seat of the Forster's from time immemorial has been at Etherston, which is, being interpreted, the Adder Stone…

There are branches of the Forster's everywhere at Tuggall Hall, at Aldermarston, at Bernwick, in London and I know not where else. But with those branches we have NOTHING here to do.

Especially, however, to be considered is the noble branch of Bamborough founded by Sir John FORSTER, the valiant and trusty Warden of the March under Good Queen Elizabeth for twenty-seven years and Governor of Bamborough Castle. It was to his son Sir Claudius that King James made a grant of the castle and manor of Bamborough !

By marriage, the Forster's were connected with nearly every family of gentle birth in the north, Lords Crewe, Wharton, Hilton, Ogle, the Radcliffes, Shaftoes, Swinburns, Chaytors, Herons, Selbys, Carnabys, Crasters, Ridleys, Fenwick, Salkelds, Grays of Chillingham, the Coles of Brancepeth.
One of the Forster's was Lord Chief Justice of England, another was Puisne Judge ; many of them were Sheriffs, Knights of the Shire. Their history is , in a word, part and parcel of the history of Northumberland itself; that is to say of the great and glorious realm of England.

By my mother's side we came from the Bamborough Forster's- a branch of the family more distinguished in the world than the main stock, and remarkable for the gifts of politeness and love and learning.

Dorothy married Lord John ARMSTRONG [47147].

+ 222    vi. John FORSTER [47144] was born in 1688 and died in 1745 at age 57.

Thomas next married Mary [47145]. Mary died in Oct 1697.

General Notes: In a Book written by Walter Beasnt, suppposedly a Novel about her Step-Daughter, Dorothy, in that Book, Dorothy is supposed to have stated that her Father's Marriage to has 2nd Wife lasted a short while, as the Wife was killed as a Result of an accidental Shooting.

Thomas next married Barbara LEWES [47146] on 14 Feb 1701.

Children from this marriage were:

   223    i. Ralph FORSTER of Carham [120467] was born on 15 Apr 1703 and died before 1735.

   224    ii. Mary FORSTER [120468] was born about 1706.

Mary married Vincent PROCTOR of Rock [120469] on 27 Jan 1725.

181. Matthew FORSTER [120474] (Sir John FORSTER154, Sir Thomas FORSTER Kt.141, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born in 1666 in Alnwick Northumberland England, was baptised on 7 Mar 1667 in St Michael's Alnwick Northumberland England, and died about 1727 aged about 61.

Matthew married Mary COURTNAY [121368].

Children from this marriage were:

   225    i. Elizabeth FORSTER [120476] .

   226    ii. Catherine FORSTER [120477] .

+ 227    iii. Sir Thomas FORSTER of Walthamstow [120035] was born in 1697 in Alnwick Northumberland England, died in Aug 1763 in Walbrook City of London England at age 66, and was buried on 1 Sep 1763 in St Stephen's Walbrook City of London England.

   228    iv. Jacob FORSTER [121369] .

190. John FORSTER [47117] (Francis FORSTER156, Sir Thomas FORSTER Kt.141, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1).

John married someone.

His child was:

   229    i. Thomas FORSTER [120084] was born in 1672 and died in 1726 at age 54.

191. Elizabeth FORSTER [47113] (Francis FORSTER156, Sir Thomas FORSTER Kt.141, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born in 1660 and died in 1691 at age 31.

Elizabeth married Charles MONTAGUE [47148].

The child from this marriage was:

   230    i. Charles MONTAGUE [47149] .

192. Thomas FORSTER [47119] (Robert FORSTER158, Matthew FORSTER142, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1).

Noted events in his life were:

• Residence: Horsley Northumberland England.

Thomas married Margaret FORSTER [47150] on 11 May 1708.

The child from this marriage was:

+ 231    i. Matthew FORSTER [47151] was born in 1715 and died in 1775 at age 60.

194. Elizabeth COLLINGWOOD [120601] (Elizabeth FORSTER166, John FORSTER of Cornhill148, Catherine GREY136, Sir Ralph GREY of Howick122, Isabel GREY116, Sir Thomas GREY of Horton107, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born about 1685 in Cornhill Northumberland England and died in 1769 aged about 84.

Elizabeth married Prideaux SELBY of Brinkburn and Beal [120600] about 1705. Prideaux was born about 1678 and died in 1744 aged about 66.

Children from this marriage were:

   232    i. Hannah SELBY [121603] was born about 1706 and died in Jan 1739 aged about 33.

Hannah married John WILKIE of Broomhouse [121604] on 12 May 1726 in St Mary's Holy Island Northumberland England. John was born about 1697 and died in Feb 1767 aged about 70.

   233    ii. Grace SELBY [121605] was born about 1707 and died on 3 Apr 1799 aged about 92.

Grace married William SELBY of Berwick [121606] on 12 Sep 1734 in St Anne's Ancroft Northumberland England. William was born about 1705 and died on 17 Apr 1777 aged about 72.

   234    iii. John SELBY of Beal [120603] was born about 1717 and died in Feb 1785 aged about 68.

   235    iv. Elizabeth SELBY [121607] was born about 1720 and died about 1804 aged about 84.

Elizabeth married Thomas STIRLING [121608] on 16 Apr 1749 in St John the Baptist Lowick Northamptonshire England.

+ 236    v. Mary SELBY [120536] was born in 1721 and died in Sep 1750 at age 29.

+ 237    vi. George SELBY of Belford [120604] was born about 1724 and died in 1804 aged about 80.

198. Gilbert ORD Esq. [121633] (John ORD167, Bertram ORD of Holy Island149, John ORD of Fenwick137, Oliver ORD of Fenwick133, MUSCHAMP117, Margaret GREY111, Isabel DARCY103, Lord William DARCY99, Richard DARCY96, 7th Baron John DARCY of Knaith92, Lord John DARCY 5th Baron of Knayth85, Elizabeth GREY76, Alice de NEVILLE52, 1st Earl Ralph NEVILLE of Westmorland34, Maud PERCY24, Lord Henry de PERCY 2nd Baron of Alnwick12, Baroness Eleanor FITZALAN Percy10, Alesia di SALUZZO5, Thomaso de SALUZZO Marquis4, Princess Beatrice OF SAVOY3, Amadeo IV (Count)2, Thomas I (Count)1) was born in Apr 1650 in Holy Island Northumberland England and died in Holy Island Northumberland England.

Gilbert married Margery ALLAN [121634] on 20 Jul 1681 in St John the Evangelist Holy Island Northumberland England. Margery died in Oct 1722.

Children from this marriage were:

+ 238    i. Jane ORD [120540] died in 1699.

   239    ii. David ORD [121637] was born about 1689.

David married Catherine [121638].

   240    iii. Mary ORD [121639] was born about 1689.

   241    iv. Eleanor ORD [121641] was born about 1691 and died in Dec 1691. (Infant Death)

   242    v. Gilbert ORD [121640] was born about 1691 and died before 1700. (Died young)

   243    vi. Hannah ORD [121642] was born about 1694.

   244    vii. Sarah ORD [121643] was born about 1695.

   245    viii. Bertram ORD [121644] was born about 1696.

   246    ix. Marjorie ORD [121645] was born about 1698.

   247    x. John ORD [121646] was born about 1700.

   248    xi. Gilbert ORD [121647] was born after 1700 and died about 1686.

   249    xii. John ORD [121648] died about 1683.


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