Ancestors of Howard Ulph SMITH


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135881016. Gilbert Fitzrichard de CLARE was born in 1065 and died in 1114 at age 49.

Gilbert married Adeliza de CLERMONT [81937]. Adeliza was born in 1058.

The child from this marriage was:

67940508        i.  Gilbert de CLARE Earl of Pembroke [81934] (born in 1100 - died in 1152)


135881017. Adeliza de CLERMONT was born in 1058.

Adeliza married Gilbert Fitzrichard de CLARE [81936]. Gilbert was born in 1065 and died in 1114 at age 49.

135881018. Robert de BEAUMONT 1st Earl was born in 1040 and died in 1118 at age 78.

Robert married Countess Isabel de VERMANDOIS [35147]. Isabel was born in 1081 in Valois Lorraine France and died on 13 Feb 1131 in England at age 50. Another name for Isabel was Elizabeth.

The child from this marriage was:

67940509        i.  Isabel de BEAUMONT [81935] (born in 1086)


135881019. Countess Isabel de VERMANDOIS was born in 1081 in Valois Lorraine France and died on 13 Feb 1131 in England at age 50. Another name for Isabel was Elizabeth.

Isabel married William II de WARRENE 3rd Earl of Surrey [35143], son of William de WARRENE [35142] and Princess Of England Gundred de NORMANDIE [35140], before 1104 in France. William was born in 1081 in Sussex England and died on 11 May 1138 in England at age 57.

Children from this marriage were:

                i.  Ada de WARRENE [35148] was born about 1104 in Huntingdon Huntingdonshire England.

               ii.  William de WARENNE 4th Earl of Surrey [81976] was born in 1110 and died in 1148 at age 38.

Isabel next married Robert de BEAUMONT 1st Earl [81938]. Robert was born in 1040 and died in 1118 at age 78.

135881092. King Of England William de NORMANDIE "The Conqueror", son of Robert I de NORMANDIE "The Magnificent" [35130] and Harlette de FALAISE [35131], was born on 14 Oct 1024 in Chateau de Falaise Normandy France, died in 1087 in Priory Of St Gervais Rouen France at age 63, and was buried on 9 Sep 1087 in Abbaye-aux-Hommes Caen Basse-Normandie France. Another name for William was William PEVERELL.

William married Matilda of FLANDERS [35128] in 1050 in Angi Castle Normandy France. Matilda was born about 1031 in Flanders Field Belgium and France and died in Nov 1083 in Caen France aged about 52.

Children from this marriage were:

                i.  Prince Of England Robert II de NORMANDIE [35132] was born about 1053 in Normandy France, died on 10 Feb 1134 in Cardiff Glamorganshire Wales aged about 81, and was buried in St Peter's Gloucester Gloucestershire England. Another name for Robert was Robert CURTHOSE.

               ii.  Prince Of England Richard de NORMANDIE [35133] was born about 1054 in Normandy France and died in 1081 in New Forest Hampshire England aged about 27.

              iii.  Adbelahide de NORMANDIE [35136] was born in 1055 in Normandy France and died in 1065 in Normandy France at age 10. Other names for Adbelahide were Adeliza and Alice.

               iv.  Cecelia de NORMANDIE [35134] was born in 1056 in Normandy France and died on 30 Jul 1126 in Caen Calvados France at age 70.

                v.  King Of England William II de NORMANDIE [35135] was born in 1056 in Normandy France, died on 1 Aug 1100 in New Forest Hampshire England at age 44, and was buried on 2 Aug 1100 in Winchester Hampshire England. Another name for William was William [Rufus].

               vi.  Princess Of England Mathilda de NORMANDIE [35137] was born in 1059 in Normandy France and died before 1112.

              vii.  Princess of England Agatha de NORMANDIE [35141] was born in 1064 in Normandy France, died in 1079 in Caen Calvados France at age 15, and was buried in Bayeaux Calvados France.

             viii.  Princess Of England Constance de NORMANDIE [35138] was born in 1066 in Normandy France and died on 13 Aug 1090 in England at age 24.

               ix.  Princess Of England Adele de NORMANDIE [35139] was born in 1067 in Normandy France, died on 8 Mar 1135 in Marsilly Aquitane France at age 68, and was buried in Caen Calvados France. Another name for Adele was Alice.

                x.  Princess Of England Gundred de NORMANDIE [35140] was born about 1063 and died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre Norfolk England aged about 22.

67940546       xi.  Henry I BEAUCLERC King Of England [35125] (born in Sep 1068 in Selby Yorkshire England - died on 1 Dec 1135 in Castle of Lihun Rouen France)

William next married Maud de INGELRICA [87732], daughter of INGELRIC [88033], about 1053. Marriage status: status unknown. Maud was born in 1032.


135881093. Matilda of FLANDERS, daughter of Count Baudouin V OF FLANDERS [35129] and Adele of France, Countess de Corbie [120105], was born about 1031 in Flanders Field Belgium and France and died in Nov 1083 in Caen France aged about 52.

Matilda married King Of England William de NORMANDIE "The Conqueror" [35127] in 1050 in Angi Castle Normandy France. William was born on 14 Oct 1024 in Chateau de Falaise Normandy France, died in 1087 in Priory Of St Gervais Rouen France at age 63, and was buried on 9 Sep 1087 in Abbaye-aux-Hommes Caen Basse-Normandie France. Another name for William was William PEVERELL.

135881094. Malcolm III, of Scotland .

Malcolm married someone.

His child was:

67940547        i.  Princess Of Scotland Matilda ATHELING [35126] (born about 1079 in Dunfermline Fifeshire Scotland - died on 1 May 1118 in Westminster Middlesex England)


155189248. Comte Erard I de BRIENNE de Brienne, son of Comte Gauthier I de BRIENNE de Bar-sur-Seine [120779] and Comtess Eustache de TONNERRE de Bar-sur-Seine [120780], was born about 1070 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France, died about 1120 in Brienne Aube Champagne-Ardenne France aged about 50, and was buried in Montier-en-Der Haute-Marne Champagne-Ardenne France.

Erard married Alice de ROUCY de Ramerupt [120774]. Alice was born in 1080 in Ramerupt Comté de Troyes (Present département de l'Aube) (Present région Champagne-Ardenne) France, died about 1143 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France aged about 63, and was buried in Brienne-la-Vieille Département de l'Aube Région Champagne-Ardenne France.

Children from this marriage were:

                i.  Guy de BRIENNE [120775] was born about 1095 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France and died on 22 Jan 1143 aged about 48.

               ii.  Dame Félicité de BRIENNE de Ramerupt [120776] was born in 1102 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France and died on 21 Jun 1178 in Joinville Haute-Marne Grand Est France at age 76.

77594624      iii.  Seigneur Gauthier de BRIENNE de Ramerupt [120757] (born about 1105 in Brienne Champagne-Ardenne France - died about 1161 in Brienne Champagne-Ardenne France)


155189249. Alice de ROUCY de Ramerupt was born in 1080 in Ramerupt Comté de Troyes (Present département de l'Aube) (Present région Champagne-Ardenne) France, died about 1143 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France aged about 63, and was buried in Brienne-la-Vieille Département de l'Aube Région Champagne-Ardenne France.

Alice married Comte Erard I de BRIENNE de Brienne [120773]. Erard was born about 1070 in Brienne-le-Château Aube Champagne-Ardenne France, died about 1120 in Brienne Aube Champagne-Ardenne France aged about 50, and was buried in Montier-en-Der Haute-Marne Champagne-Ardenne France.

155189250. Comte Jean I de Soissons .

Jean married Aveline de PIERREFONDS [120766].

The child from this marriage was:

77594625        i.  Adéle de NESLE [120764] (born about 1110 in Soissons Aisne Picardie France - died about 1137 in France)


155189251. Aveline de PIERREFONDS .

Aveline married Comte Jean I de Soissons [120765].

155189284. Earl [1st] Sahir III de QUINCY of Winchester, son of Sir Robert de QUINCY Justiciar of Lothian [120196] and Arabella FITZWILLIAM [120197], was born in 1155, died on 3 Nov 1219 in Palestine at age 64, and was buried in Acre, Capital of the [Christian] Kingdom of Jerusalem.

General Notes: In a Document received from Marigold [Roberts] Potter in March 2021, she stated:
Sahir's Body was subesequently brought back to England and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough.
He was a Knight in the Service of Richard de Leon during the Crusades to Palestine.
Wikipepedia gives further Information on Sahir [Saer], as follows:

As Earl of Winchester,
Following his marriage, Winchester became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. There is no evidence of any close alliance with King John, however, and his rise to importance was probably due to his newly acquired magnate status and the family connections that underpinned it.
Saer seems to have developed a close personal relationship with his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter (died 1235). In 1203, they served as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy. They surrendered the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, fatally weakening the English position in northern France.[4] Although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John's command, and both Winchester and Fitzwalter endured personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French.
In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211 to 1212, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John.

In Regards to the Magna Carta,
In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief authors of Magna Carta and negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta.[5] De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the sealing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis's candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III.

In Connection with the 5th Crusade,
When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfilment of an earlier vow. In 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta.[7] While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family.

AND, finally, some History of the Family,
The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelt in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci.

The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as "Saer I") was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland by Maud of Northumbria. This marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. By her first husband Robert Fitz Richard, Matilda was also the paternal grandmother of Earl Saer's close ally, Robert Fitzwalter.

Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.

Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France

Sahir married Margaret de BEAUMONT [81914]. Margaret was born in 1154 and died in 1233 at age 79.

Children from this marriage were:

                i.  Lora de QUINCY [120186]

               ii.  Arabella de QUINCY [120187]

              iii.  Robert de QUINCY [120189] died in 1217.

               iv.  Robert de QUINCY [120194] died in 1257.

77594642        v.  Earl [2nd] Roger de QUINCY of Winchester [81911] (born in 1174 - died in 1264)

               vi.  Countess Hawise de QUINCY [81980] was born in 1178 and died in 1260 at age 82.

              vii.  Mary de QUINCY [120190]


155189285. Margaret de BEAUMONT, daughter of Earl [3rd] Robert de BEAUMONT of Leicester [120179] and Countess Pernel de GRANDMESNIL of Leicester [120180], was born in 1154 and died in 1233 at age 79.

Margaret married Earl [1st] Sahir III de QUINCY of Winchester [81913]. Sahir was born in 1155, died on 3 Nov 1219 in Palestine at age 64, and was buried in Acre, Capital of the [Christian] Kingdom of Jerusalem.

155189286. Lord Alan MACDONALD of Galloway .

Alan married Rose LACEY [120207].

The child from this marriage was:

77594643        i.  Helen MACDONALD of Galloway [81912] (born in 1196 - died in 1245)


155189287. Rose LACEY .

Rose married Lord Alan MACDONALD of Galloway [120206]. picture


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