12. John SMITH [3546] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on May 4, 1795 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, died on Jan 5, 1870 in March Cambridgeshire England at age 74, and was buried on Jan 10, 1870 in March Cambridgeshire England.
General Notes: Father came from Tydd St.Giles in CAMBRIDGESHIRE. Son was a Corn Miller in March, CAMBS. John (this one) also probably lived in Tydd St. Giles. His third Wife, Mary Dent STANGER, was from Tydd St.Mary, LINCOLNSHIRE. However, Since his Son, John Stanger-Smith was Married in St.Ives, and HIS first Child was Born Nth. Witchford, CAMBS. in late 1862, THEN during the period 1832 (when He and Mary Dent Stanger were Married) and 1862 the Family may have moved, possibly in stages from Tydd St.Giles to March.
NEXT STEPS:
1. Search 1841 If Family living there at that time, try 1851 Census for Tydd St.Giles. Also try 1841 Census of Tydd St.Mary, LINCS. for traces of Stangers. Furthermore look for any mention of John and Martha SMITH and Children. (unlikely) John and Mary Dent SMITH and Children; and for John Stanger-SMITH and Emma (ULPH) and Family after she left home and married in 1860. Note: Emma shows in the St.Ives Census Records for the ULPH Family in 1841 and 1851. Since she was Married in 1860, she is not shown in the St.Ives Census for 1861; but may appear in Nth. Witchford. Also look for the Stanger (or Dent) Families in Tydd St.Mary in LINCOLNSHIRE. 1841 Census Records for Tydd-St.Giles, Ref.241227, ordered from the Mormon Library at Greenwich, Apr. 23, 1988. As of June 7, 1841 Census does not show any trace of John Smith and Mary; but maybe??? includes John Smith Snr. Tydd-St.Giles Census is divided into two Sections. The first (Western) Section is O.K.; but the Second (Eastern) Section is mostly illegible. Details of Smiths recorded are listed under the File D: Data Census.doc Access it through Word for Windows. The only John Smith in this Census who may be "ours" is the (very faint) J.S. living near "The Rectory". His age is recorded as 18; but may well be 78. The illegible Section of the Census is very hard to read. However, it is probable that MOST Family Names can be identified. There is about a 80-85% chance that our John Smith was not living there in 1841.
H.U.SMITH. Apr.22/May 24/June 8, 1988.
1841 Census Records for March (Doddington) Ref. No. 241228 was inspected at the Mormon Library Greenwich on Oct.28, 1988. The Film is HO 107-81 PRO 814, It reveals that John Smith, Wife Mary, and children Helen(16), Harriet(14) and John(7) were living with them at that time. Helen and Harriet were the Daughters of John and his second Wife, Helen Hill Rogers (d.1831) They lived at Whittle End, the Boundaries of which are described in the Census Book as follows: "All that Part of the Hamlet of March East of the Turnpike Road called Chequer Row, the houses South of the Turn- pike Road to the Premises of Thomas Grey, also all all that part of Whittle End North of the River and including the House of the said Thomas Grey." H.U.SMITH, Oct. 31, 1988. ...
1841 Census shows as follows:
Census Return June 7, 1841. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/80)
at Whittle End. ...
NAME
John SMITH
Mary SMITH
Helen SMITH
Harriet SMITH
John SMITH
1851 Census shows as follos
Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/1765)
at Whittle End. ...
NAME
John SMITH
Mary D. SMITH [nee Dent]
Harriett A. SMITH
John S.SMITH
Mary J. SMITH
William S. SMITH
Mary A. DAWSON
1861 Census shows as follows:
Census Return April 7, 1861. (PRO Microfilm RG/9/1043-4)
at Whittle End [119?], March. ...
NAME
John SMITH
Mary (Dent) SMITH
Mary J. SMITH
Arthur F. SMITH
Mary A. STANGER
Mary A. ACKWORTH
Written to G.B.Stanger July, 1989. He may be able to provide further details of John and Mary Dent Smith (nee Stanger). Aug.2,1989. ...
Geoffrey Stanger in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989 provides details of Inscriptions on "Smith" Tombs and Headstones from the Station Road Cemetery in March, as follows: In Block J. completely concealed by a large tree, surrounded by a large and dense holly bush is a large tomb, about 7ft. long and 4ft, high. A rectangular box shape, headed by a solid triangle running the full length of the top. On the North Vertical Face is the Inscription:
IN AFFECTIONATE MEMORY OF JOHN SMITH BORN MAY 4th 1795 DIED JANry
5th 1870 AND OF MARY DENT SMITH HIS WIFE BORN JUNE 7th 1806 DIED MAY 31st 1874
Geoffrey also includes Extracts from Will Indexes in Somerset House as follows: 1870 6 July. the Will of John Smith late of March in the Isle of Ely and County of Cambridge Merchant deceased who died 5 January 1870 at March aforesaid was proved at Peterborough by the Oath of John Stanger Smith of March aforesaid the Son the Sole Executor. Effects under #3,000 This was a short will obviously made the same day as his death. It bequeathed nearly everything to his Son John Stanger Smith, "trusting that he will hold or distribute the same for the mutual benefit of my dear Wife and my other children......." Witness Robt Dewbarn Jnr. Solr. March and Wm. Burton, March.
H.U.SMITH, Aug. 11, 1989. ...
For Locations, See Shell Road Atlas of GB, P53 in the Area of "the Wash"
In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, his Daughter, Harriette said:-
John, the eldest, born May 2nd, 1795, was married in June 1821 to Ann Richardson, of Horncastle. they had one son, Frederick Pilkington, who died about a month old. Mrs. John Smith [Ann R.] died ..... ...... Mr. John Smith married again in 1823 to Helen Hill Rogers [my Mother], daughter of Rev. thomas Rogers [Baptist] of Fleet, Lincs. She died Jan. 4th 1831, leaving 4 children. [named]
Noted events in his life were:
• Occupation: a Merchant.
• Death: at his Home in the West End, Jan 5, 1870, March Cambridgeshire England.
• Burial: in the "Smith/Stanger" Tomb in the Station Road Cemetery, Jan 10, 1870, March Cambridgeshire England.
John married Anne RICHARDSON [3548] in Jun 1821. Anne was born in Horncastle Lincolnshire England, died in Nov 1822, and was buried in St Giles' Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England.
General Notes: In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, her Daughter, Harriette said:-
John, the eldest, born May 2nd, 1795, was married in June 1821 to Ann Richardson, of Horncastle. they had one son, Frederick Pilkington, who died about a month old. HisMother, Mrs. John Smith [Ann R.] died in Nov. 1822 & was buried in the Chapel yard at Tydd-St.Giles.
The child from this marriage was:
17 i. Frederick Pilkington SMITH [4278] was born in 1822 and died in 1822.
General Notes: In a Journal kept by Harriette Anne Smith, his half-Sister, Harriette said:-
Frederick Pilkington died about 1 month old.
NOTE: previously had his Name as Frank Pilkington.
John next married Helen Hill ROGERS [3549], daughter of Thomas ROGERS [11933] and Elizabeth HILL [11934], on Aug 20, 1823 in Baptist Chapel Fleet Hargate Lincolnshire England. Helen was born on Dec 2, 1804 in Fleet Lincolnshire England and died on Jan 4, 1831 at age 26.
General Notes: Helen is believed to be the Daughter of a Clergy- man of Fleet (LINCS.). ...
H.U.Smith/ Betty Spender. July 1987.
Children from this marriage were:
+ 18 i. Helen Elizabeth SMITH [4279] was born on Sep 11, 1824 and died on Mar 6, 1873 at age 48.
+ 19 ii. Harriette Anne SMITH [4280] was born on Jul 8, 1826 in March Cambridgeshire England and died on Aug 5, 1900 in 9 Lyndhurst Road Hampstead London England at age 74.
20 iii. Caroline SMITH [4281] was born on Mar 17, 1828 and died in 1833 at age 5.
21 iv. Frederick Rogers SMITH [4282] was born on Jan 20, 1830 and died on Jan 20, 1831 at age 1.
John next married Mary Dent STANGER [3547], daughter of William STANGER [3823] and Mary DENT [3824], on Jun 7, 1832 in Wisbech St Peter Wisbech Cambridgeshire England. Mary was born on Jun 7, 1806 in Tydd St Mary Lincolnshire England, died on May 31, 1874 in March Cambridgeshire England at age 67, and was buried on Jun 4, 1874 in March Cambridgeshire England.
General Notes: SEARCH NOTES:
1. Await check of 1841 Census for Tydd-St.Giles in Cambs. If no sign of Dents or Stangers, try 1841 Census Records for Tydd-St.Mary in Lincolnshire. H.U.Smith, May 24, 1988.
Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter rec'd Aug.8,1989, provides an extract from the Will Indices in Somerset House as follows: 1874. 10 December. The Will of Mary Smith (heretofore wife of John Smith) late of March in the Isle of Ely and County of Cambridge widow who died 31st May 1874 at March was proved at Peter-borough by John Stanger Smith of March Merchant the Son and Edward Henry Edwards of 168 Adelaide Road in the Parish of St.John Hampstead in the County of Middlesex Stationer the Executor. Probate being granted under certain limitations. Effects under #1,000 H.U.SMITH, AUG.12,1989.
Noted events in her life were:
• Residence: at "West End" as Head of House with 3 Children, Grand-Dau Helen Mary Edwards and Nephew Joseph E J Smith, 1871, March Cambridgeshire England.
• Death: at Whittle End, May 31, 1874, March Cambridgeshire England.
• Burial: in the "Smith/Stanger" Tomb in the Station Road Cemetery, Jun 4, 1874, March Cambridgeshire England.
Children from this marriage were:
+ 22 i. John Stanger SMITH [2648] was born on Jul 2, 1833 in probably Parish of Doddington Cambridgeshire, died on Sep 9, 1915 in March Cambridgeshire England at age 82, and was buried in Sep 1915 in March Cambridgeshire England.
23 ii. Mary Jane SMITH [3622] was born on Dec 1, 1841 and died on May 31, 1905 at age 63.
General Notes: Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989, provides details of Jane's Tomb as follows: (for details of the location and description of the tomb, see under John Smith, her Father) On the North Slope of the Tomb:
IN LOVING MEMORY OF
MARY JANE SMITH DAU. OF THE LATE JOHN & MARY DENT SMITH OF MARCH
BORN DECEMBER 1st 1841 DIED MAY 31st 1905
H.U.SMITH, AUG. 11, 1989. ...
24 iii. William Stanger SMITH [3623] was born on Mar 31, 1847 and died on Aug 29, 1872 at age 25. The cause of his death was an accident.
General Notes: Geoffrey Stanger, in his letter, rec'd Aug. 8, 1989 gives details of the Inscription on William's (and his Parents) Tomb in Station Road Cemetery, in March (a description of the Tomb will be found in the Notes on his Father, John) as follows: On the East Gable end:
ALSO OF THEIR SON
WILLIAM STANGER SMITH
BORN MAR 31st 1847
DIED AUG 29th 1872
H.U.SMITH, AUG. 11, 1989.
Noted events in his life were:
• Residence: at "Guildford House", Frederick Ewen's Gerrard Street Boarding School, 1861, Aston Warwickshire England.
+ 25 iv. Arthur Frank SMITH [3624] was born on Apr 27, 1853 in March Cambridgeshire England and died in 1930 at age 77.
13. Joseph SMITH [3565] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on Jul 20, 1799 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England, died on Feb 4, 1883 in Nottingham Park Nottinghamshire England at age 83, and was buried about Feb 1883 in Lenton Nottinghamshire England.
General Notes: WAS BELEIVED TO HAVE LIVED IN NOTTINGHAM. ... "Betty" Spender, knowing Joseph lived in Nottingham, and that he had a Grain Merchant/Miller background searched Nottingham Directories; and located a Joseph Smith, Corn Merchant. Further investigation showed Joseph was a Corn Dealer in Nottingham by 1832; and possibly earlier. Amongst other addresses, Joseph lived with his second Wife at Newton Priory, a Grand House, in a Nottingham Suburb. He also at another time lived in "The Park" another Nottingham Suburb. The 1851 Census finds his Mother Martha Smith (nee Frank), by this time a Widow, living next door, with a Nurse & another Servant. At this time she was obviously unwell, as she died the following year. H.U.SMITH, from "Betty" Spender letter, rec'd. August 8, 1988. ...
The 1851 Census shows Joseph living in Nottingham, as follows:
Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm)
at The Park. ...
NAME
Joseph SMITH
Penelope SMITH [nee Elliott]
Alexr. E. SMITH
William F. SMITH
Mary A.P. SMITH
Henry J.E. SMITH
Rebecca E. SMITH
Joseph E.J. SMITH
Sarah SHIPLEY
June JONES
Lucy ELSOIMS
In an e-Mail received from Elizabeth Lee Pugh in February 2014, she made the following Comment [amongst others]:
1881 [Joseph was] still at 56 Rope Walk, widower, with him were grand daughter Mary A M Smith 18, Niece; Mary E Felkin 50 (nee Cole, married to William FELKIN s/o William FELKIN and Susannah CLARKE (d/o Robert CLARKE and Ann YORKE of Wisbech) born March, Cambs \endash housekeeper. (Ann YORKE being the daughter of George YORKE and Mary SKERRITT and sister to Rebecca YORKE who married William STANGER)
Noted events in his life were:
• Residence: [probably] Rope Walk with Wife, Son, William and Mother, 1841, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: Rope Walk with Wife Penelope and 6 Children, 1851, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: Rope Walk with "new" Wife Sarah Hurst and four of Joseph's Children, 1861, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: Rope Walk with Wife Sarah and 2 adult Children, 1871, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: 56 Rope Walk, a Widower with Grand-Children, Nieces & Nephews, 1881, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
Joseph married Anne ELLIOTT [3580], daughter of William ELLIOTT [3587] and ELDRED [101096], in 1827 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England. Anne was born on Jul 19, 1803 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on Oct 4, 1830 at age 27.
Children from this marriage were:
+ 26 i. Alexander Elliott SMITH [3570] was born on Jun 30, 1828 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England, died on Apr 5, 1880 in Orillia Simcoe Co. Ontario Canada at age 51, and was buried in Apr 1880 in St Andrew's & St James' Cemetery Orillia Ontario Canada.
27 ii. Joseph Frank SMITH [3583] was born about 1829 and died about 1830 about age 1.
Joseph next married Penelope Eldred ELLIOTT [3566], daughter of William ELLIOTT [3587] and ELDRED [101096], in 1833. Penelope was born about 1812 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died about 1857 about age 45.
Children from this marriage were:
28 i. Dr William Frank SMITH [3584] was born on Aug 16, 1836 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
William married Ellen SIMONS [12630], daughter of George SIMONS [4330] and Elizabeth [42865].
29 ii. Lydia Penelope SMITH [12632] was born on Mar 8, 1838 and died on May 8, 1838.
30 iii. Mary Anne Penelope SMITH [3576] was born on Jun 15, 1841 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died about 1887 about age 46.
31 iv. I. Stu???n SMITH [12633] was born in 1843 and died in 1843.
32 v. Rev. Henry Johnson Elliott SMITH [3567] was born 4 Qtr 1844 in Lenton Nottinghamshire England and died on Feb 24, 1894 in St Columb Cornwall England at age 49.
Noted events in his life were:
• Residence: 7 Rope Walk with his Parents and Siblings, 1851, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: 7 Rope Walk with his Parents and Siblings, 1861, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: 7 Rope Walk with his Parents and Siblings, 1871, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: The Vicarage with his unmarried Sister, Rebecca, 1881, Crantock Cornwall England.
• Occupation: a Curate living with his unmarried Sister, Rebecca, 1881, Crantock Cornwall England.
• Residence: The Vicarage with his unmarried Sister, Rebecca, 1891, Crantock Cornwall England.
• Occupation: a Curate living with his unmarried Sister, Rebecca and Niece Lucy M Smith, 1891, Crantock Cornwall England.
33 vi. Rebecca Elizabeth SMITH [3574] was born in 1846 in Lenton Nottinghamshire England.
+ 34 vii. Joseph Elliott Johnson SMITH [3568] was born on Oct 30, 1849 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on Jun 1, 1934 in March Cambridgeshire England at age 84.
35 viii. Benjamin SMITH [3585] was born in 1852 and died in 1852.
+ 36 ix. Philip Samuel SMITH [3569] was born in 1853 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
Joseph next married Sarah HURST [3571], daughter of Nathan HURST [4304] and Sarah BEECROFT [16572], 3 Qtr 1858 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England. Sarah was born on Oct 3, 1811 in St Mary Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on Sep 6, 1874 at age 62.
General Notes: In an e-Mail received from Ken Stanger in February 2014, he included:
BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Protestant Dissenters birth registers. Birth certificate Sarah Hurst female 3rd October 1811 St Mary Nottingham dau of Nathan and Sarah maternal William Beecroft
registered 16th September 1812 at Dr Williams Library . Redcross Street near Cripplegate London by Thos Morgan.
those present Mary Bessnaby and Elizabeth Elliott
14. Rebecca SMITH [3598] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on Nov 13, 1800 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died 2 Qtr 1846 in North Witchford Cambridgeshire England.
Rebecca married John COLE [3599], son of John COLE [3870] and Sarah EVERITT [3881], on May 9, 1825 in by Licence at March, Cambridgeshire. John was born on Jan 21, 1802 in March Cambridgeshire England and died on Mar 8, 1873 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England at age 71.
General Notes: In an e-Mail received from Elizabeth Lee Pugh in February 2014, she commented:
In 1881 Lucy [Staples Monck Smith] was staying with John Cole and his sister Hannah - he was a corn factor - as was Lucy's grandfather, Joseph Smith.
Children from this marriage were:
+ 37 i. Harriett COLE [3600] was born on Mar 9, 1826 in March Cambridgeshire England and died in Independent Meeting House Castle Gate Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
38 ii. Anne Maria COLE [12638] was born in Nov 1827, died about 1831 about age 4, and was buried in General Baptist Graveyard March? Cambridgeshire England.
39 iii. Mary Eliza COLE [3601] was born in 1830 in March Cambridgeshire England and died 4 Qtr 1922 in East Preston Sussex England.
Noted events in her life were:
• Residence: with her Uncle Joseph Smith as his Housekeeper, 1881, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: Home, a Widow, living on her own Means, 1891, Worthing Sussex England.
• Residence: Home, a Widow, living on her own Means, 1901, Heene [West Worthing] Sussex England.
• Residence: as a Boarder, 1911, East Preston Sussex England.
Mary married William FELKIN [101152], son of William FELKIN [3100] and Susannah CLARKE [101104], 1 Qtr 1850 in March Cambridgeshire England. William was born on Oct 17, 1824 in Shoreditch London England and died in 1885 in New Zealand at age 61.
Noted events in his life were:
• Occupation: a Lace Manufacturer, employing 120 "Hands", 1851, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Residence: 1851 1861, Basford Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Occupation: a Lace Manufacturer, employing 107 "Hands", 1861, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
• Occupation: a Yarn Agent, 1871, Nottingham Nottinghamshire England.
40 iv. Martha COLE [3602] was born in 1833 in Sheriton Nottingham England.
15. Samuel SMITH [3590] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1) was born on Feb 28, 1802 in Tydd St Giles Cambridgeshire England and died on Jul 18, 1892 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England at age 90.
General Notes: SEARCH NOTES: 1. Check with Wisbech and Fenland Museum as to whether they have firmly established the connection between Samuel, John and Joseph. If so, what is the First Name of their Sister, who married a "Felkin"; and their other Sister, Rebecca, who married John Cole. H.U.SMITH. ... March 24, 1989. ...
Written to Elizabeth Nicoll, Edinburgh, who is a descendant of a Sister of Mira Smith. Awaiting further information; but definitely confirmed that Samuel was a Brother of John (and the rest). Aug.2,1989. ... In an
enclosure from Geoffrey Stanger, concerning John Smith 174?-1802, was the comment "Writing in 1884, the Son Samuel referred to "our Mother when she lived at the Chapel House at Tydd""
The 1841 Census shows as follows:
Census Return June 7, 1841. (PRO Microfilm HO/107/80)
at Whittle End
NAME AGE POSITION BORN
Samuel SMITH 39 MERCHANT (Brother of John SMITH) Cambs.
Mary? (Mira/Mora) SMITH 30 Not Cambs.
Emily SMITH 14 Not Cambs.
Julia SMITH 12 Cambs.
The 1851 Census shows Samuel living in Leverington, in Cambridgeshire, as follows:
Census Return April 7, 1851. (PRO Microfilm)
????????. ...
NAME AGE POSITION BORN
Samuel SMITH 49 Retired Timber Merchant Tydd St.Giles
Mira SMITH [nee Smith] 41 Wife Nottingham
Sarah ABBOTT 47 Visitor, School Mistress Boston, LINCS
Margaret KENNET 26 Unm Servant Terrington, N.
Sarah A. WATSON 18 Unm Servant Holbeach LINCS
Samuel married Mira SMITH [3591], daughter of James SMITH [3605] and Mary BOOTH [3606], on Mar 28, 1824 in St Mary's Nottingham Nottinghamshire England. Mira was born on Feb 28, 1802 in Nottingham Nottinghamshire England and died on Nov 11, 1855 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England at age 53.
General Notes: Elizabeth Nicoll feels that Samuel and Mira were possibly Cousins, or in some other way related. She is pursueing this further. H.U.S. Aug.2,1989.
Children from this marriage were:
41 i. Joseph SMITH [9065] was born on Jun 5, 1825 and died in Dec 1825.
+ 42 ii. Emily SMITH [3592] was born on Dec 8, 1826 and died in 1871 at age 45.
43 iii. Julia SMITH [3593] was born on Dec 18, 1828 and died on Oct 21, 1909 in Broad St Gen'l. Baptist Ch., Nottingham at age 80.
Julia married Robert BENNETT [3596]. Robert was born about 1821 in Wisbech Cambridgeshire England and died about 1897 about age 76.
Samuel next married Frances DAWBARN [3594], daughter of Thomas DAWBARN [3877] and Mary SEYMOUR [17525], on Sep 4, 1860 in Hunstanton Parish Church, NORFOLK, ENGLAND. Frances was born about 1812 in Aldermanbury Middlesex England and died in 1897 about age 85.
16. SMITH [3597] (Martha FRANK9, Samuel7, Peter2, Thomas1).
SMITH married FELKIN [3603].
The child from this marriage was:
44 i. Mary FELKIN [3604] was born in 1831.
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